I’m getting really ticked off. I’ve been reading blogs that are spewing all of the same crap Sarah Palin has been saying, which of course are out-and-out lies, and passing it around as if it were the gospel. I swear, I just don’t understand people who don’t do their own research to find the truth. I mean come on, we all know politicians stretch the truth and sometimes outright lie in order to get elected, right? That’s why I believe it behooves each and every one of us to do the responsible thing and find out the exact truth. To that end I thought I’d give you all said truth about the so-called relationship between William Ayers and Barack Obama, as provided by FactCheck.org (a nonpartisan, nonprofit “consumer advocate” for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics). It is the most in-depth and complete accounting I’ve seen to date. If you truly care about making an informed and educated decision between the candidates this November, you’ll read it:
Sen. John McCain has dialed up his attacks on Sen. Barack Obama’s past association with former Weather Underground activist Bill Ayers. He released a 30-second TV spot Oct. 10 claiming Obama “lied” about Ayers. A day earlier he announced a 90-second Internet ad claiming that Obama and Ayers “ran a radical education foundation together” and suggesting Obama was being untruthful.
Groundless, False, Dubious
We find McCain’s accusation that Obama “lied” to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.
Other claims are seriously misleading. The education project described in the Web ad, far from being “radical,” had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain’s campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting “mainstream thinking” about school reform.
Despite the newly released records, there’s still no evidence of a deep or strong “friendship” with Ayers, a former radical anti-war protester whose actions in the 1960s and ’70s Obama has called “detestable” and “despicable.”
Even the description of Ayers as a “terrorist” is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a “former terrorist,” and an “unapologetic” one at that. But if McCain means the word “terrorist” to invoke images of 9/11, he’s being misleading; Ayers is no Osama bin Laden now, and never was.
Who’s Misleading?
McCain is not accurate when he says – as he does in the Web ad – “When their relationship became an issue, Obama just responded, ‘This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood.’ ” McCain is using the same line in personal appearances, too. He said on Oct. 9 at a campaign rally in Waukesha, Wis.:
McCain: Look, we don’t care about an old washed-up terrorist and his wife, who still, at least on Sept. 11, 2001, said he still wanted to bomb more. … The point is, Senator Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood. We need to know that’s not true.
Obama never said Ayers was “just” a guy in the neighborhood. The quote is from a Democratic primary debate on April 16 in Philadelphia, and Obama actually was more forthcoming than McCain lets on. Obama specifically acknowledged working together with Ayers on a charitable board, and didn’t deny getting some early political support from him. Here’s the exchange:
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, April 16: An early organizing meeting for your state senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said you are friendly. Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?
Obama: George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about.
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.
Sen. Hillary Clinton then said, “I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation,” and predicted that “this is an issue that certainly Republicans will be raising.”
Obama responded, “President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me … serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago.”
We wrote back then that Clinton had gone too far by suggesting that “people died” as a result of Ayers’ actions. And nothing Obama said then has since been shown to be false. It is true that he did not bring up his work with Ayers on a second project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where Obama was board chairman and Ayers was an early organizer, and where the two were together for half a dozen or so meetings. But neither Clinton nor Stephanopoulos asked him about that project. McCain could fairly accuse Obama of not volunteering the information, but it is false to claim he “lied.”
“Pal Around”
The first to begin using the new line of attack against Obama was McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, after a lengthy article appeared Oct. 3 in the New York Times about Obama and Ayers:
Palin, Oct. 5: Our opponents see America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who would bomb their own country.
She’s repeated the charge again and again at different campaign stops since then, citing the Times. What the Times article actually says, however, is this: “[T]he two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.” The Times says its review of documents and interviews with key players “suggest” that Obama “has played down his contacts with Ayers,” but describes their paths as having crossed “sporadically” since their first meeting in 1995.
And far from palling around with Ayers, the two haven’t spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the Senate in January 2005, according to an Obama spokesman. He said the two last saw each other more than a year ago, when they accidentally met on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.
Obama addressed Palin’s claim on Oct. 8, when questioned by ABC News’ Charlie Gibson:
Obama, Oct. 8: This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois. … And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that … I’ve ‘palled around with a terrorist’, all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.
Stormy Weather, Underground
Bill Ayers’ notoriety dates from the radical, anti-Vietnam War group he helped to start in 1969, splintering off from the activist Students for a Democratic Society. The members of the new group, the Weather Underground, favored shows of violence to further their cause. On March 6, 1970, though, three of them blew themselves up in a Greenwich Village townhouse during a bomb-making session gone badly awry. Ayers and his fellow Weathermen, as they were called, soon dropped out of sight.
Barack Obama, who was born Aug. 4, 1961, was 8 years old at the time.
The Weather Underground continued setting off bombs, including one in a men’s lavatory in the Capitol building in 1971 and another in a women’s restroom in the Pentagon in 1972. Nobody was killed, due to evacuation warnings the Weathermen sent out in advance.
After the Vietnam War ended, the group’s activities petered out. In 1980 Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member, surfaced and turned themselves in to police. Because of illegal federal wiretaps, pending charges against Ayers for allegedly inciting a riot and conspiring to bomb government sites had been dropped. Dohrn pleaded guilty to separate charges of aggravated battery and jumping bail; she was fined $1,500 and given three years’ probation. Ayers and Dohrn, who had had two children together while in hiding, married in 1982.
Several other Weather Underground alums, including Kathy Boudin, along with some members of a group calling itself the Black Liberation Army, were involved in a bungled 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Nanuet, N.Y., in which a security guard and two policemen were killed. Ayers and Dohrn have never been publicly tied to the incident, which took place after they had turned themselves in. Dohrn was jailed for seven months for refusing to provide a handwriting sample to the grand jury investigating it.
Dohrn is now a clinical associate professor of law at Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago. Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Locally, Ayers’ radical past hasn’t been much of an issue. Chicago Sun-Times columnist Lynn Sweet wrote last spring that it “was no big deal, or any deal, to any local political reporters or to the editorial boards of the Sun-Times or [Chicago] Tribune.” Ayers was named a Chicago citizen of the year in 1997 for his efforts in the field of education.
In Chicago, Ayers is seen less as a “terrorist” and more as a prodigal son of the local establishment. His father was a prominent corporate executive and civic leader. Thomas G. Ayers was president and chief executive of Commonwealth Edison, the electric utility that lights Chicago and northern Illinois. There is a residence hall named for him at Northwestern University, where he was a trustee for 30 years. Bill’s brother John Ayers, according to Education Week, headed a school-reform group called the Leadership for Quality Education, which represented business leaders’ interest in schools. John is now a senior associate of the Chicago-based National Association of Charter School Authorizers.
Despite the fairly mainstream life he lives now, though, Bill Ayers’ image took a hit with an article that appeared in the New York Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. Ayers was quoted in the lead paragraph as saying, ”I don’t regret setting bombs” and “I feel we didn’t do enough.” The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with the publication of Ayers’ memoir of his years as a fugitive. But when the quotes appeared on the same day thousands died at the World Trade Center and elsewhere, they enraged his critics.
Ayers called the story a deliberate distortion of his views. In a response on his blog, Ayers wrote:
Ayers: My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy …. I said I had a thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce of my strength.
That’s hardly an apology, referring as it does to the U.S. role in the Vietnam War as “terrorism.” Ayers has maintained a public silence since then, refusing all requests for interviews.
Even so, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley had kind words for him recently:
Daley (New York Times, Oct. 3, 2008): He’s done a lot of good in this city and nationally. … This is 2008. People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.
We Have Contact!
According to an Obama spokesman, the two men first met in 1995, when Obama was tapped to chair the board of the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers had been instrumental in creating the organization, which was to dispense grants for projects that would improve Chicago’s schools.
The Challenge was one of 18 projects supported by a $500 million grant announced at a White House ceremony Dec. 18, 1993, by the Annenberg Foundation, founded four years earlier by Philadelphia publisher Walter Annenberg. It was the largest single gift ever made to public education in America. The Chicago project received a $49.2 million grant in 1995, and officials administering the grant funds at Brown University announced at the time that the Chicago proposal was developed through discussions among “a broad-based coalition of local school council members, teachers, principals, school reform groups, union representatives and central office staff” convened by three educators – one of whom was Ayers. Mayor Richard M. Daley, a Democrat, and Gov. Jim Edgar, a Republican, took part in a ceremony announcing the grant.
There are other connections between Obama and Ayers: The same year the two men met through the Annenberg Challenge, Ayers hosted a meet-and-greet coffee for Obama, who was running for state Senate and who lived three blocks away from him. Obama and Ayers also were on the board of an antipoverty charity, the Woods Fund of Chicago, where their service overlapped from 2000 to 2002. And Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s campaign for the Illinois state Senate on March 2, 2001.
In addition, Obama told the Chicago Tribune in 1997 that a book Ayers wrote about the juvenile court system was “a searing and timely account.” This is sometimes billed by Obama’s critics as a “book review.” Actually, a reporter simply asked three Chicagoans for a sentence about whatever they were reading at the time.
The Annenberg Challenge connection has drawn the most attention recently, though, mainly because of articles written by Stanley Kurtz, a conservative contributor to the National Review, the publication founded by the late William F. Buckley. Kurtz first suggested on Aug. 18 that there was a “cover-up in the making” when he was unable to gain access to 132 boxes of project records housed at the University of Illinois. Records were released nine days later, along with all records held by the Annenberg Foundation itself.
The Chicago Tribune, after examining the records, said they showed Ayers and Obama “attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference together as the education program got under way.” It also said Obama and Ayers “continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program.” The story played on page 2. According to the New York Times, the documents show the two attended just six board meetings together, Obama as chairman and Ayers to inform the board on grantees and other issues. (In a press release, the McCain campaign puts the number of meetings at seven, five of them in 1995, one in 1996 and one in 1997.) Ayers was an “ex officio” member of the board for the first year of the project.
United Press International summed up the reaction to the contents of the group’s archives with a story headlined “No ’smoking gun’ in Obama relationship”:
UPI, Aug. 27: Reporters reviewing records in Chicago have so far found nothing startling in documents linking Sen. Barack Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.
Where news reporters found little of note, though, Kurtz – the conservative writer who initially suggested a “cover-up” – cast it differently. After combing through the Annenberg records, he published an article in the opinion pages of The Wall Street Journal saying he found that Obama and Ayers acted as “partners” and together “poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.” He said money went to groups that “focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education.”
A “Radical” Foundation? Hardly.
What Kurtz – and McCain in his Web ad – considers “radical,” other observers see differently, however. Veteran education reporter Dakarai I. Aarons, writing in Education Week, says the Chicago Annenberg Challenge actually “reflected mainstream thinking among education reformers” and had bipartisan support:
Education Week (Oct. 8): The context for the Chicago proposal to the Annenberg Foundation was the 1988 decentralization of the city’s public schools by the Republican-controlled Illinois legislature, a response to frustration over years of teachers’ strikes, low achievement, and bureaucratic failure. … The proposal was backed by letters of support to the Annenberg Foundation from Illinois Gov. Jim Edgar, a Republican, local education school deans, the superintendent of the Chicago public schools, and the heads of local foundations.
Among the mainstream Chicago luminaries on Obama’s board was Arnold R. Weber, a former president of Northwestern University, who in 1971 was appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon as executive director of the Cost of Living Council and who later was tapped by Republican President Ronald Reagan to serve on an emergency labor board. More recently, Weber has given $1,500 to John McCain’s presidential campaign this year.
Others on Obama’s supposedly “radical” board included Stanley Ikenberry, a former president of the University of Illinois system; Ray Romero, a vice president of Ameritech; Susan Crown, a philanthropist; Handy Lindsey, the president of the Field Foundation of Illinois; and Wanda White, the executive director of the Community Workshop for Economic Development.
Kurtz originally claimed that Ayers somehow was responsible for installing Obama as head of the board, speculating in his “cover-up” article that Obama “almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers.” But after days of poring over the records, he failed to produce any evidence of that in his Wall Street Journal article. To the contrary, Ayers was not involved in the choice, according to Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation. She told the Times, and confirmed to FactCheck.org, that she recommended Obama for the position to Patricia Graham of the Spencer Foundation. Graham told us that she asked Obama if he’d become chairman; he accepted, provided Graham would be vice-chair.
The bipartisan board of directors, which did not include Ayers, elected Obama chairman, and he served in that capacity from 1995 to 1999, awarding grants for projects and raising matching funds. Ayers headed up a separate arm of the group, working with grant recipients. According to another board member, Ayers “was not significantly involved with the challenge after Obama was appointed.” One possible reason had little to do with Obama himself, but instead was related to cautions about conflicts of interest; the group was funding some of Ayers’ own alternative school projects.
In any case, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge failed to bring about improvement in students’ test scores, classroom behavior or social competence. An independent consortium of educators concluded in 2003 that “Annenberg schools did not achieve an overall effect on student outcomes” compared with schools that received no support from the project. Education Week quoted some project supporters as saying it succeeded in raising interest in helping failing schools.
Conclusion
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former “terrorist,” he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.
– by Viveca Novak and Brooks Jackson
Sources
Fleishman, Joel L. The Foundation: A Great American Secret. Public Affairs Books, New York, 2007.
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Kurtz, Stanley. “Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism on Schools.” The Wall Street Journal, 23 Sept. 2008.
Smith, Dinitia. “No Regrets for a Love of Explosives.” The New York Times, 11 Sept. 2001.
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Sweet, Lynn. “Obama’s Ayers connection never bugged anyone.” Chicago Sun-Times, 18 April 2008.
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Saturday, 11. October 2008
Hi! Apparently, I’m too dense to figure out how to respond to your 9News message, so I’ll try here - I’m Elsieach. Thank you for your kind thoughts on my posting, and, yes, in the advancement of the Peeps for Obama, you may incorporate my writing. I have a (much neglected) blog myself which I hope to regenerate soon, but what with Walking and Talking for Barack, I need more time in my days. Your blog is very well done & interesting.
Again, thanks for the compliment.
Go Obama!
Linda
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Leigh Reply:
October 11th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Hi, Linda.
Thanks so much for visiting and for YOUR kind words. From reading your profile at 9News, it looks like we have a lot in common (women in their fifties are such SO cool!).
Thanks, too, for the permission to use your comments here at Thoughtprints. It is much appreciated!
And yes, indeed, GO OBAMA!! 
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Saturday, 11. October 2008
“In addition, letters from the Governor of Illinois, the Mayor of Chicago, the Superintendent of the Chicago school system, the Executive Director of the Woods Fund, the Executive Director of the Polk Bros. Foundation, the Chancellor of the University of Illinois at Chicago, and the Council of Chicago Area Deans of Education all sent to Vartan Gregorian acknowledge the leading role of Ayers and/or the Collaborative he formed in the formation of the Annenberg Challenge.”
“In August of 1994, Leff wrote a letter to Brown’s Gregorian lauding Bill Ayers for his leadership in organizing the grant application”
“To accept the story 14 years later of the Times and the Obama campaign requires us to conclude that Leff, unilaterally against her own board of directors (which in November added Obama), went around the back of Bill Ayers to impose on him secretly Barack Obama as the chair of the Annnenberg Challenge! That is a remarkable conclusion - and of course one that is not yet backed up by Leff herself!”
“they made Ayers co-chair and he represented the Collaborative at the board meetings of the CAC itself once it was established in March, 1995. ”
Actually, the Times indirectly confirms this explanation when it quoted Ben Labolt that Ayers and Obama met for lunch, after Obama met with Graham. Since LaBolt says this was the “first time” Ayers and Obama met, this lunch must have taken place before the CAC’s first board meeting in March of 1995. Although it is undoubtedly true that Ayers and Obama met long before this, that is legally sufficient evidence that Ayers approved of Obama as the board chair.
Ask yourself: Would Ayers have hired Obama if Obama had not agreed with Ayers’ agenda? Would Ayers have backed Obama with political fundraisers and contributions if he didn’t believe Obama would push Ayers’ ideology as an elected official?
“I believe that Obama and Ayers shared a similar world view with respect to education issues, at least. For example, during their time together running the Chicago Annenberg Challenge they supported funding for groups like the Small Schools Workshop and Local School Councils. These groups were criticized as engaging in “teacher bashing” by union activists and as a “political threat” to school principals by Arnold Weber, a fellow Annenberg board member.”
By Steve Davis again
“This is the key question because if it is true that Ayers played a role in Obama’s selection it indicates that Ayers and Obama had a pre-existing relationship.”
“Seeing Obama as Director of the Developing Communities Project from 1985 to 1988 is not news to me but it graphically illustrates the point I have been making about his initial alliance with Thomas and Bill Ayers in the ABCs coalition back in 1987. Note the Developing Communities Project as a member of the ABCs coalition coordinated by Bill Ayers. The goal was public school reform, just as with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but Ayers did not simply pick Obama’s name out of a hat when Obama was made chairman of the Challenge back in 1995 - Ayers had known him for years.”
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTM4ZmU1NGFkODJlMjhmYjkxMjg4Y2Q0NTVlYjAzMmY
By Stanley Kurtz
“The day after he blocked my access to the CAC records, Rolling wrote an early morning letter to Ayers’s CAC co-founders, directing them to a New York Times reporter he believed to be friendly. Rolling’s message included what appear to be subtle instructions on how to handle the matter of Obama’s choice to be head of CAC. This suggests that Rolling was trying to preemptively shape the public story of Obama, Ayers, and CAC, before I or others could investigate the issue.”(Why the coverup)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/776/
Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told PolitiFact the two have not communicated by phone or e-mail since Obama became a U.S. senator in 2005. (How can you not conclude they comunicated by phone and email up until 2005,until it became a poltical problem, as Obama became a Senator and was planning to run for the White House)(The VOTERS need to know. There is at least very reasonable doubt how well they knew each other and any other conclusion can not be a “fact”.)
” Obama campaign officials acknowledge Ayers hosted a coffee in 1995, the purpose of which was to introduce Obama to some local political players leading up to his first run for public office.”(More reasonable doubt about the depth of the relationship). Palmer rarely speaks to reporters. But she recently denied to CNN that she organized the political affair for Obama, although she said she attended.(So who did, without even that knowledge how can anyone conclude what Ayers Obama relationship was)(Ask Obama who did)
http://current.com/items/89377256_obama_campaign_now_claims_obama_didn_t_know_about_ayers_past_axelrod_certainly_friendly
Axelrod Has Said Ayers and Obama Are “Certainly Friendly,” And The Obama Campaign Has NEVER BEFORE SAID Obama Didn’t Know Ayers’ Radical And Violent History — But Has Referred To Him As “Respected Advisor” To Chicago Mayor
http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/29653448.html
“Two Years After Meeting Ayers, Obama Published “Rave Review” Of Ayers’ Book In The Chicago Tribune, And Jointly Appeared On Academic Panels Together. “The two men were involved in efforts to reform the city’s education system. They appeared together on academic panels, including one organized by Michelle Obama to discuss the juvenile justice system, an area of mutual concern” (Mutual Concern with a guy they don’t know or do they)(How many other neighbors did Michelle ask, did she go door to door)(Reasonable doubt about relationship, anyone)
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/11/memory-is-a-motherf%E2%80%94ker-for-both-obama-and-ayers/
Barack Obama and campaign have been hopelessly “erratic” — suspiciously so — on what he’ll reveal about his longtime relationship with Bill Ayers — they say Obama hardly knew him, they say he was just some guy in the neighborhood, then they say Obama was friendly with him, then Axelrod claims their kids went to the same school (even though they’re @ 16-18 years apart in age), they refuse ever to respond about Ayers hiring Obama, Obama deletes his sole executive experience from his resume because it shows that he was Bill Ayers’ employee, Obama says Ayers is rehabilitated, but now Obama says Ayers isn’t rehabilitated(Campaign spin why??)
http://www.newswithviews.com/Narrett/eugene137.htm
“In any case, when Dr. Khalidi left Chicago for Columbia, William Ayers, Bernadette Dohrn, and State Senator Obama held a farewell fest.”(Passing in the night again and again and again)
Another note, check with the public the NY Times is not unbiased.
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Leigh Reply:
October 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I’m not going to argue the FACTS. Even if I were inclined to do so, I would point out that most, if not all, of what you posted sounds like a lot of good works to me. But for the record, Bill Ayers never “hired” Barack Obama for anything.
But let’s get real here. What someone did forty years ago has no bearing on what the man is doing, and has done, for the last 4 decades. He’s done a lot of good work and was even selected as Chicago’s man of the year for all he’s done in the arena of education. I’d love to work with someone who is so passionate about the future of our children! What do you have against that???
Oh, and by the way, Mrs. Annenberg is a good friend of McCain’s, as was her late husband. Mrs. Annenberg is the one who picked Ayers to sit on the board of her charitable organization. Does that make her a terrorist, too? And if she’s such good friends with McCain and contributes to his campaign, does that, then, make him a terrorist, too? You see? It’s all ridiculous.
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Saturday, 11. October 2008
40 years ago, who is being unrealistic (all in 48 seconds)please watch
http://beltwayblips.com/video/connie_chung_interviews_bill_ayers_and_bernardine/
I know of many more that are much longer if you wish to see them.
You want this man educating your children?
Obama understands what I’m saying
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience.(You think thats just an oversite, why is he not proud of it)
Do you actually know why Ayers bombed and what he wants to educate all children in. Its all about Obama Ayers and education, with Obama, Ayers found a better way to get the same result, OBAMA is Ayers new improved weapon.
Obama “… community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas about the style and substance of organizing. Most practice … a ‘consumer advocacy’ approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from outside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities.” (Illinois issues, September, 1988)
“In works like “City Kids, City Teachers” and “Teaching the Personal and the Political,” Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist,” Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk’s, “Sixties Radicals,” at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.
CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).” from WSJ online
Now being a Liberal you might not fear socialism and thats fine if its sold to the voters for what it is and they freely choose it. Obama is offering stealth socialism which is why his Columbia days his friends, his political allies are not discussed. Obama denies Ayers not because he really isn’t associated, not because Obama agreed with bombing, but because the Ayers association would make his true socialist even communist beliefs visible to voters and he knows that would make him unelectable.
I believe as Reagan did
In 1987, Ronald Reagan commented on useful idiots: “How do you tell a Communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
If Ayers believes what he said here and Ayers believes in Obama and following believed in Obama or visa versa
Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Rev Wright, Mike Klonsky, Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, Rashid Khalidi, Khalid Al-Mansour, Tony Rezko, Sam Graham-Felsen, Father Michael Pfleger, Marilyn Katz, Alice Palmer, Saul Mendelson, ACORN, Chicago DSA, an affiliate of the Democratic Socialists of America.
Last thought most stealth socialist societies end up with a dictator.
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Sunday, 12. October 2008
Wow, conspiracy theorist much? And Sarah Palin’s minister is a witch hunter and prayed for God to keep her safe from all witchcraft. She now credits his prayers with becoming Governor. Does that somehow make her a witch hunter, too? Nope. Not at all.
How old are you? Were you alive in the sixties? The seventies?
And by the way, this will be the first time I’ve ever voted for a Democrat for president. Kinda’ blows your theory that I’m a liberal out of the water, doesn’t it. But it’s not surprising. Seems you jump to a lot of conclusions with very little evidence. Oh, and Jesus was a community organizer, too.
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Sunday, 12. October 2008
Obama wrote in his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father:
“When classmates in college asked me just what it was that a community organizer did, I couldn’t answer them directly. Instead, I’d pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the Congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won’t come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.”
“Substitute “Bush” for “Reagan” and you’ll get a pretty good picture of Obama’s campaign today, which suggests that Obama has been selling the message of change since his organizer days. His gift, then and now, was to convince people to believe in him.”
Take each of his associates and explain Obamas comments on each.
Well Obama finall answered the question of “when” he finally learned of Ayers radical terrorist past when he stated
“Ultimately” (evade exactly when)
“I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago.”
Obama Spokesman Bill Burton denied Obama ever favorably reviewed Ayers’ 1997 book on the juvenile justice system.(Until caught)
Contrary to what Burton said, a December 1997 article from the Chicago Tribune contains a statement from Obama describing Ayers’ book as “A searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”
Obama has not mentioned if ultimately learned that Bernadine Dohrn, famously gushed over the barbaric Manson Family murders of the pregnant actress Sharon Tate, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, and three others: Dohrn “Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!”
Obama also “Ultimately” after 20 years of “inspiration” ,learned about Rev Wright
Obama “Jeremiah Wright who spoke at a press function in Detroit was not the man he heard preaching every Sunday”
Obama may have been suspicious as Obama wrote years earlier in Chap 14 of Obamas book “Reverend Wright shrugged “Some of my fellow clergy don’t appreciate what we’re about. They feel we’re too radical” Rev Wright then Erased From Obama’s Website(Stalinesk)
Obama also “Ultimately” learned Tony Rezko thanks to a Court and Obamas discounted home purchase
“This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform.”
Obama also “Ultimately” learned about Mike Klonsky ideas of education and communist ties.
Mike Klonsky postings were entirely deleted from the Obama campaign web site in June after several independent bloggers noted Klonsky’s connections to Obama and Ayers.
Obama also “Ultimately” learned about Hatem El-Hady’s. “In other words, Michelle Obama’s name isn’t there because El-Hady put it there — it’s there because she chose to be listed as his friend”
Hatem El-Hady’s web page has now vanished from the Obama campaign website. No explanations given
Obama “ultimately” learned thanks to campaign staff,
The New Black Panther Party appears openly anti-White, anti-Jewish, and anti-America. After Obama’s Tuesday damage-control speech,his campaign pulled the Black Panthers’ endorsement story off their website
“Ultimately” may not yet have arrived for Obama on Khalidi ,thanks to Khalidi returning the Woods Grant favor by hosting a fundraiser for Obama.
Obama “lavished praise” on Khalidi in 2003 when the former PLO functionary took a job at Columbia University, according to an LA Times article last year.
“Ultimately” may never arrive for Frank Marshall Davis’s role as a MENTOR to the young Obama but if Obama read Franks book Livin’ the Blues he would “Ultimately” learn as Frank wrote that “when author Richard Wright in 1944 left the Communist Party”,”aided only the racists who were constantly seeking any means to destroy cooperation between Reds and blacks”(p. 243)
Abunimah quoted Obama as saying that he was sorry he wasn’t talking more about the Palestinian cause, but that his primary campaign had constrained what he could say.
Obama, through his aide Axelrod, denied he ever said those words.
Cynthia K. Miller said her resignation as Obama’s treasurer had nothing to do with her Nation of Islam ties.
Marilyn Katz has said of her activities that she wanted the U.S. to become a socialist paradise. She is a close friend of Barack Obama. was head of security for the militant group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) (forerunner of the Weatherman terrorist cult) during the Chicago street riots of 1968. Katz is a long time acquaintance of Bill Ayers. Katz is president of public relations firm MK Communications whose client list is a who’s who list of left wing lobbying groups.
Katz now serves on Obama’s national finance committee.
Obama “Ultimately” learned about his racist Grandma that raised him
“but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
I say the voters will “Ultimately” learn that of all the above associations, the only person of them all that he publicly stated that mad him cringe was his grandmother. I just hope its before Nov4.
Sam Graham-Felsen - joined Obama for America in March 2007 where he works for the New Media department as the official blogger Now he’s under fire for his reputed Marxist sympathies
“For no presidential nominee in living memory had the gap between adulation and achievement been so great.”
“Barack Obama is truly a phenomenon of our time– a presidential candidate who cannot cite a single serious accomplishment in his entire career, besides advancing his own career with rhetoric.”
Could you help me please find these things?
1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - - Not released to the PA court
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released to the PA court
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
13. Passport used to Travel Pakistan in 1981.
If you knew all this, you must be a socialist(which is very Liberal). If not you’ve only have a few weeks to catch up on your reading. I read both sides thats how I found your web site then I draw my conclusions
McCain/Palin matter not because you only get to choose between them and Barrack ACORN Obama. No other candidate could make it this far with that cast of characters in his life on a National level.
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Leigh Reply:
October 13th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Wakeup Call (or whatever your real name is), we’re never going to agree on anything. And please, if you believe that a politican — ANY politician — tells the truth about him/herself, their past, their ideas for the future, etc., ALL the time, then you’re living in a fantasy. The trick is to disseminate what both are saying and pick the one you agree with the most and about whom you feel the most comfortable. For me, that is Barack Obama. I believe you are really reaching with a lot of your comments, but I will simply agree to disagree with you. And by the way, you never did tell me if you were even alive in the 60s and 70s. I’ve lived long enough to know that things are never black and white and have been through enough presidential elections to know that I’ve always had to choose between the lesser of two evils, but this time I’m actually passionate about a candidate and believe in the future of this country under his leadership. What you believe is your choice, what I believe is mine. Good luck to you.
Oh, and by the way, while I cannot find for you the things you requested — other than the birth certificate and Harvard Law Review article — there are many places that can. FactCheck.org, a non-partisan consumer advocate, is just that kind of place. All you have to do is leave a request for what you’d like to know. Regarding his law practice client list, though? Come on, you know attorneys can’t release that kind of info. Not without a court order. It’s illegal. Unless you’d like him to break the law for your satisfaction?
Now, regarding the birth certificate and Harvard Law Review article, they can be found here and here (respectively).
Again, good luck to you.
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Leigh Reply:
October 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I forgot the health record: see it here.
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