You know considering my own situation and difficulty concieving it may surprise you to know that I am pro choice. I dont know that I am "far right" pro choice, I only know that my personal belief is that sometimes and in some instances a woman needs a right to choose. I have very mixed feelings about abortion and see both sides of the issue but when ask to make a choice, chose a side, I would have to call myself pro choice.

Now with that said, this does not mean that I dont believe that a 6 or 7 month old fetus is not at that stage a human being. I do believe that someone took someone elses child away from them, that person had no choice. Even if you do see the point as it is a fetus, not a human being, someone took someones fetus away from them, they had no choice. So yes I believe that she did take a life. I believe there is a certain stage of development where what was once an egg and sperm mixing to creating an embryo..... and the point in which an embryo becomes a baby. These are my oppinons, my views, my personal beliefs developed from my own personal experiences and experiences that I have observed in those around me. They are not based on religion or science or even medical facts, they are based on my gut feelings. I would not even say that I "proudly" call myself a pro choicer, I believe I call myself that out of a nessesity that we have as a society. In a perfect world young girls would not get pregnant and feel alone and desperate. In a perfect world woman would not get rapped. In a perfect world every woman with the instinct to be a mother, and the desire to be a mother, would be a mother....and every one who did not have the skills, means or even the right to be a mother, would not be a mother. Children would not get abused and neglected and every one who ever laid their hands on a child in an unhealthy way would pay for it ....even if with their life. We do not live in a perfect world.

Ok sorry ....I might have gone to far with this question ehhhh? lol Just my 2 cents. Interesting post Leigh. Yes the woman should be prosecuted. If she meets the criterial for that charge in every other aspect...then yes she took someones child from them.

Something else I have strong oppinons on..assisted suicide. Lets talk about that sometime! :) Look you got me going now, up on a soap box! lol sorry

Oh ...but I do not support or believe in late term abortion. Forgot to say that. ok I am done now! lol

Hi Jen:)

Wow, some WONDERFUL thoughts you posted!! You didn't get carried away at all! I'm glad you said everything you did!

I agree with you on so many points. Some, I am completely confused about .... but if I were pushed, I think I would have to call myself a pro-lifer, but not to the ultimate degree. If a woman is raped; or her own life is at stake due to the pregnancy; or if a girl/woman is the victim of incest; I believe she should have every right to choose an abortion if that is what she wants to do. Now, on the other hand, I'm soooo undecided on another point -- what if prenatal testing shows an anomile with the baby? Do we have the right to arbitrarily (for lack of a better word) choose to end that life because it won't be a "perfect" person??? In cases where it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the child will certainly die shortly after birth, then I guess I can understand terminating the pregnancy; but what about in instances where the child is not going to die ... but is going to be plagued with physical problems all its life .... or be mentally retarded?? Then what?? Do we have the right to kill it?? When thinking about that, I go back to the story I told you a short time ago ... about the little girl named Naia ("Choosing Naia"). The statistics show that 9 out of 10 couples choose to abort a fetus that tests positive for Downs .... but Naia's parents did not, and she is a beautiful, wonderful little girl. Granted, she is not severely Downs, but she has a great many physical and mental issues she will be dealing with all her life, which her parents are dealing with now. I keep thinking about all the little lives which have been terminated that might have been like her .... and it makes me sad. I don't know. It's a very hard subject, and I guess I don't have what it takes to be like all of those who can say they absolutely believe one way or another, no exception. There's just too much at stake.

I can say, though, that I absolutely do not believe in using abortion as a means of birth control. There are too many irresponsible girls/women who don't take proper precautions, end up pregnant, and just go get an abortion to take care of the "problem". That's just not right, any way you look at it.

Thanks, Jen, for sparking such a great conversation! :) It's extremely interesting ...

Now, about assisted suicide ....

I'm back!!!! :) lol

I agree with you on so many aspects. I also do not believe that abortion should be used as a means of birth control. I see and have seen so many girls be irresponsible and time and time again not worry about he consequences because they know they have an "easy way out". It should never be an easy way out, matter of fact it should be one of the most difficult decisions that one should ever have to make in their lives. I should be something that you remember for the rest of your life and take from it the knowledge that while everyone is entitiled to a mistake but they must learn from those mistakes and take a very very painful lesson from them. I think of a nieve, inexperienced, frightened 12 year old LITTLE girl. I think about her inablity to care for a baby, or even her inablity to care for herself or the safety of her baby before it is born. I think about all the young girls who put their babies in the garbage or in a laundry basket in their closet and cover them ......all the babies that die AFTER the have taken their first breath of life. What about your own little girl, could you see her having to go through the trauma of childbirth at 12 or 13 years old? Her life would forever be changed, regardless of what option she took.

About birth defects and such. Well, I know that it would be very difficult for me to ever abort a child regardless of what was wrong with it. But I do know that I have never walked in those shoes so I dont really know what my heart would tell me to do. I believe that I would only, even remotely consider that an option if I were to understand that my baby, my child, would have no quality of life. I know that downs, retardations, and many other forms of birth defect, while they do alter the type of life you have they do not deem you incapable of living a good life or a productive life or a life with meaning. Maybe not by everyones standards but on the basic things that we define quality of life by such as love, caring, giving, compassion, these children are capable. So anyways....those are my views. I guess while I know in my heart that I personally could never have an abortion,I believe that it is my right as a woman to decide that.

Oh and assisted suicide. Remind me, we will have to save taht discussion for another day :)I am very long winded and also very strong in my beliefs. Another day perhaps. Gotta go to work now :)

"I guess while I know in my heart that I personally could never have an abortion,I believe that it is my right as a woman to decide that."

WELL SAID!!! Exactly my thoughts, Jen ... thanks!! :))

hi ladies i am slow lol;)))

when my girls were small we drove down the street one day and sawan abortion protest... the girls asked waht it was about... so we hada discussion about abortion (this how i am with them, it started very young...aska question and i will try to answer at your level)

i personally have never had to amke that choice. for me...i dont think i could.
when i got preg with leia i wasnt married, my mothers suggestion was to get an abortion. fortunately i had jsut turned 18 and i refused. there was no way i would do taht. i was ten years old when iremember asking my mom if there was a test i coudl have done then to see if i would be able to have babies ( i was worried aobut this at ten!) so when i got preg with leia i was much relieved!

jsut a month or two before i got preg with leia, my mother had an abortion. she didnt know i knew, we only talked aobut this a eyar or so ago. she had gotten preg..but a friends husband! and then killed the kid. in someways tho...i am torn at 18 i was jealous taht she would consider havign achild, then angry she killed the echild... then thankful that child would never be raised by her... it is a very confusing deliema.

when i was preg with angela, at lady at church had recently been raped. she was married had several kids, and ended up raped. and preg. she made the chocie carry the baby full term, then decided to raise the child. based ont he belief the chidlw as not at fault, wasnt evil bad or any of those things. i was amazed at this woman...it did cost her her marriage, the husband could not accept the child or her keeping the baby. he could accept lettign the child live..then adoption. she raised this little girl.. and she is a precious precious soul a beautiful lil mulatto girl of mixed heritage. witha mother and siblings who simply adore her.

could i do this?? give biorth to achild conceived by rape?? possibly. i dont know that i would ahve the emotional strengtht o raise that child. but i dont think i could kill it either.

i have seen the after affects of abortion as well. the "many years" after the fact devestation. the wanting so desperatly to get pregnant but cant becasue of damage doen during the abortion. the "my god i killed my child" grief.

i ahve also seen the highschool girls who used it as birth control. sad...pills are cheaper than abortion and a hell of alot easier on a person. i ahve no clue why they didnt choose that.. it was free, you didnt need parental concent... there was no reason not to use it. *shaking my head* i have no understandign for that. i fidn that simly lazy and very very wrong.

i was 24-25 when i had to have a hysterectomy. i was so thankful i had had my 3 kids early. i never would of had any if i had waited. and even with all i ahve been thru asa mom i wouldnt change any of it.0i used to wish jsut prior to have my surgery to figure out how to donate my eggs..cuz i ahd no prob gettign preg... i could of had a dozen easily. and i found it such a shame i couldnt give away the good parts of me..is ee so many women who cant conceive or who ahve sucha difficult time..
i would ahve to say tho...for all these experiences. women should have the choice..its thier body and they ahve to deal with those issues.
i do not feel we have the right to deicde for another person, and i dont feel that vioelence to those who choose abortion is right either... how is one act of violence returned with another act of violence right??? im osrry but that doesnt fit my idea of what "christian lvoe" is aobut...but then of course that is a whole nother topic lol

enough of my soap box

*steppign down*
lvoe ya leigh thanks for htis:)